Daniel Görtz 50% of the team behind Hanzi Freinacht came on the podcast to talk about the times we're in, the material conditions for transformation, what we can do that are trying to make the transition into a new reality and we speak about AI (of course). Daniel brings in the different modes of interaction: play, competition, cooperation and trade with the suggestion that we love all of them. We also speak of the faustian societies and scratch the surface of the power over vs power with dynamics. We also speak of the move towards the information economy where attention, retention and respons are going to be crucial factors. This is an excellent conversation where Daniel graciously holds some of my messiness while I try to follow along in his reasoning in real time. If you want to get the Hanzi books or follow their work check out https://metamoderna.org/. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul