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The Optimist or David Berlinsky?
Michael Behe: The strength of intelligent design derives mainly from the work-a-day progress of science. David Berlinsky: There are in Darwin's scheme no special creation, no divine guidance or transcendental forces. Richard Dawkins: It made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist. Michael very cheerfully says, science is science. They'll come around. And Berlinsky says, oh, you silly boy.