"San francisco used to be the ultimate tolerant place in terms of people thinking differently," he says. "Then something happened, and i really depended on the trump presidency." Social media has added to this, where people don't feel they can float an idea without getting cancelled,. And thiy feel like that whole kind of thing has moved to podcasts... People are very nervous about talking about race or religion ... You know, put the item on the list that's hard to talk about; people are really scared to have conversations....