"I went and see Oppenheimer simply for the experience of having three hours of not watching Barbie," she says. "One of the things that truly impressed me about Oppenheimer was how art trumps politics because in politics you have to sit around and talk about where we write to drop the bomb" 'In the arts you can say we might have had to drop it... It might still be an atrocity' She adds: 'You can have this kind of complex vision of the world.'

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