"I remember first, there was just terrestrial. It was just the antennas antennas," he says. "We'd have to get that cinema max and we fucking put your shoulder into or you couldn't come." HBO came along and it was a box that you put on top of your television. And they had like dirty movies, violent movies. Stand up comedy with cursing. And boxing. Yeah. At the time it felt painful, but now I realize, wow, this was all part of the plan".

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