I'm a big believer that careers go in sort of seasons, right? There's part of your life where you might be young and energetic. But then that same person 10 years later might actually hate it,. They don't want to be away from the family or like there's just... Exactly. I've just been nice working with different things. So we never really exploited Kubernetes in either of the teams that I worked for. It was something that we were starting to look at, but most of our provisioning was bare metal provisioning. To have a software layer on top of that, we were talking earlier about the operations per cycle limits. Having a bunch of virtual networks