Speaker 3
And I was just thinking of Philippians 4 eight, like keep your mind on what is true, pure, right, holy, friendly and proper. And I think if we get given two opportunities, one, like masturbate and two not masturbate, we want to pick the option that may call us to become something greater. And I believe not masturbating calls us to become something greater. Like if we're given two options, like why not choose the harder one and go kind of more extreme? Yeah.
Speaker 2
Because it's also going to challenge our character so much. Yeah. And remember that God is so much more
Speaker 3
about like heart change rather than, than behavior change. And so I think that's why the subject has so many question marks because it's deep
Speaker 2
is something like in your
Speaker 1
heart, is this you thinking what is proper and pure and holy? Yes. Exactly. And that is that comes down to only you know your intentions. When we talked about modesty, we say modesty is a position of the heart. It's it's something more inward, even more so than it is outward. And so if somebody's wearing something tight fitted, like for example, like or that looks a little more like they're showing off more than maybe somebody else, I can't sit here and say, Oh, they're being a modest per se. Like I don't know if the position of their heart is humility or not. I can't judge if they are wearing that outfit to draw in people's attention or not. Like all in one sense, like sure, there's a cultural standard in a way, right? Like if somebody's not wearing a top, that's going to be different than if somebody's wearing because that's not culturally appropriate in America, right? But if but like I don't know if I see someone's outfit, what their intention is and we we only know our true, true, true intentions if we're being honest with ourselves. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. You know, I but I do think I love that you guys do point back to like, what do we abide in? What's a rule of life that you abide in? And at some point, like we share that same cornerstone of faith, you know, that we are abiding in the same question to be asked. But you know, Riley, I think one thing that you do and I think this is starting to change in the church is championing or sexual nature. And I know for me, I don't know how it was for you guys. The first time I started hearing this, especially out of a evangelical and Southern background, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is some new age stuff like deathly, like hyper sexual like you tell me you're just going to impress your sexual nature so you can do whatever you want and masturbate like no, you know, but then he kind of starts to say, okay, wait a second, let's start at the Bible and see when God is just talking about sexual desire and nature, unadulterated in the sense where it's lustful and fulfilling self. What does he say? And so
Speaker 1
he says it's very good.
Speaker 2
Right. But for you, Riley, where would you say that it was something that you learned and started to champion because you were very quick off the bat in this interview to really set the tone like, hey, sexual nature is a good thing. It's a great thing that got created within us. Here's where it starts to go south and here's a way that we can kind of champion. And like you just said, maybe self deny, yeah, in order to build character and grow. Yeah, in our