I would say the first hundred episodes of designed matters are unlistenable, really truly unlistenable. The great interview is where you're able to follow wherever your guest goes because you know that much about who they are. I absolutely, absolutely, absolutely so i'll spend, you know, at least ten, 15 hours prepaent preparing for any interview. It can't be to miler amout, i think, from that time, about five stoally, wow.

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