The path of progress is radically different than it was in 2014. The trends are very different. And I still remained somewhat agnostic and skeptical, but I did read Eric Holes essay and then interviewed him on this program for a couple of things he wrote after that. But the thing I think I found most alarming was a metaphor that I found later, Nicholas Foster Muse, almost the same metaphor. It did cause me to get more pause than I even before.