Bastian: If I go back and look at the last 40 years, I would say there has been a change of ages. After this decade, it was more like a kind of a horizontal growth of these open ideas. What I think is that during this decade, the last one, we had many of these open new things go successfully,. But too much less affair, as I said. And we are changing the direction. So it's not the next decade will be less affair and more governments willing to have an opinionated politics about strategy.

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