Helen Clark: What exactly is net zero and why does it matter? Chris Groves: I think for a long time we've realised that climate change was something that was causing a lot of problems with the earth. We were setting our targets like keep below two degrees C of temperature rise or later 1.5 degrees C. How do you allocate this temperature target amongst different actors, whether they be states, nations or companies or individuals? And so the transition to a kind of a net zero kind of narrative for me has made it real and tangible for everybody.

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