A lot of people that are militantly atheist or whatever, they are just as dogmatic as the thing that they're raging against. The middle allows right what we'd say in the traditional East is it gets your passions go down. So here spirit is unseen. Don't hear spirit is we it's just things you can't taste touch smell. And so then to tie it into the Christian narrative: He's God and man. He's God is pure spirit man is pure physical. Then you have this creature that is both God man. And so now I don't care if you believe in it. Again, it's really up to you because this thing is profoundly personal concept. But

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