How Did You Get Into Psychedelics?

I think it was something instinctive. And they with, with my father and the alcohol that I was just kind of worried about that stuff later on. So so I did take LSD six or seven times. Was this is after you're already pretty, if you're in theological school, you must have already been pretty deeply in the spirituality at this point. Yeah. He got a degree in psychology and he loved it, but it just felt like there was some dimensions that were missing. You know, when they went there, they looked at what you've done in your life and where there were deficits and they tried to fill in the deficits.