i wonder if there is a relationship between religious belief and the experience of itisvemus ya? This actually wasn't a place that i expected to go, particularly when i first started exploring this. All my life i've been on the agnostic side and really remain there. There's one amazing poem looking around, cause i feel like i probably have it printed out somewhere around me. Its is this longing you express is the return message, the grief you cry out from, draws you toward union. Your pure sadness that wants help is the secret cup. You nont love or divinity, or whatever expression we want to give to it. Ye, ye.

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