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7.6 What Defines Us and Male Archetypes with Pat Divilly

Saturn Returns with Caggie

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The Importance of Listening to Others

I think a lot of this stuff I look back and I can kind of make sense of it now. At the time I was just going along with, you know, I reached a point of desperation where I said, my way doesn't work. So I need to start listening to other people. My dad definitely supported me in that way with a bit of tough love. There was a guy in the UK who called me for 10 minutes and he just gave me a bit of encouragement. It wasn't an end and I didn't know. It was just, you can do this. And one positive experience creates a new story. And the new story creates a new feeling and suddenly it's

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