Is Pat Dodson a Celebrity?

I imagine doing that. It would have to be an indigenous person. And if you do that, you want somebody who's respected... But respected for their views on the world,. Their intellect, their contribution over a long period of time. I think he would be brilliant. Pat Dodson, I know the name, but I can't... He's an indigenous guy, right? Yeah. Paul Hoggard. Maybe not. You don't go around. You're dealt a good one. She's one of the most popular people in Australia. But is she going to be president? Probably not, with all respect to... I don't know.

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