In this episode, Wendy speaks with philosopher of mind Evan Thompson about embodied cognition and contemplative science. Evan is one of the earliest contributors to advancing the dialogue between Buddhism and Western science through his work with Mind & Life co-founder Francisco Varela, and he's spent decades exploring how the human mind extends beyond the brain, throughout the body and into the world. In this conversation, they discuss:

• his unique upbringing and educational path;
• his work with Francisco Varela and the beginnings of the conversation between Buddhism and cognitive science;
• why philosophy matters;
• the project of neurophenomenology and the integration of first- and third-person methods;
• the problem of neurocentrism;
• 4E cognition (that mind is embodied, embedded, extended, and enacted);
• the “self” as construction vs. illusion;
• how predictive models of mind line up with the enactive view;
• whether or not meditation is a special avenue to reveal the nature of the mind;
• the need for more thought systems and religions at the table in contemplative science;
• and why it's critical today to understand the human mind in nuanced ways.

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