There are certainly some relations absolutely in the sense that people think about knowledge as being objective matters kind of objective science. Mine seems to be kind of subjective. It's in your head just here. It's not out here. You can make some associations, but they're definitely different issue. So is the whole premise then that we're going to have to find new languages, new grammars, new frameworks, new models? And for understanding the relationship between these things or understanding these things in and of themselves?"

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