Anna: I think the world clearly either runs or used to run like there's some sort of process that gave us material abundance and a whole bunch of knowledge that people didn't have a few centuries ago so trying to figure out what that was or is seems really good. Spencer: We can see that things are breaking down we can see that these like you know shared truths are kind of like struggling to survive. Anna: If I had some buttons to push anyway though I guess I'd vote in favor of being conscious and helping other people be conscious as if structures even where it's we can't believe in the structure fully might allow us to honor the Sabbath without believing in the Jewish god etc.

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