The impending collapse of civilization as we know it is also what this podcast toys with. In the book, in inconvenient apocalypse, Wes and I talk about the need to rethink skills, spaces and stories that are essential for a new future. Most of the stories told today,. the implicit message about success is about advancing your career, getting money, getting famous, whatever. Those are not the stories of the future. So where do we look? Well, my co-author Wes Jackson, the book he did before this one, has the provocative title Hogs Are Up.

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