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Rachel Clark is a palliative care doctor who works in the NHS. Her books have shone a light on what dying can teach us about living. Now she's once again facing up to tragedy, supporting those trying to provide palliatives care in Ukraine. She tells Ian Sample how her job is to ensure people die in the best way possible.

Ian Sample talks to Dr Rachel Clarke about her experience working in palliative care in the NHS and now with hospices in Ukraine. She tells him what dying can teach the living, what we can learn from the Covid pandemic, and reveals the anguish and defiance of trying to provide a dignified death in the midst of war. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/sciencepod