Motivations in Crisis: A Complex Character Study

In this episode, the hosts discuss a recent assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump, diving into the details of the incident and the background of the assailant, Ryan Wesley Rouse. They explore Rouse's pro-Ukraine and anti-China sentiments, his troubled past, and his motivations for attempting the assassination. The conversation takes a deep dive into the ideological shifts in society that justify extreme actions, the flaws of bureaucracy, and the broader implications of such events on American politics. The episode also touches on humorous personal anecdotes, including a brief debate on the merits of austerity and living conditions for US presidents. .

Malcolm Collins: , [00:00:00] I wonder, I don't think I'm that much crazy. Like if I had less access to resources than I have or less access to public respect than I have, and I needed to get people to pay attention to certain topics, could I be seen as as crazy as this guy in a different timeline?

Simone Collins: You're probably seen as more crazy than this guy. He did not try to start a religion.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, yeah, it's true. Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely more crazy than him.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be talking with you today. We just had another presidential assassination attempt in the United States.

I was wondering whether or not I should cover this and sort of my takeaway has been there just hasn't been a lot of good comprehensive coverage of this. And so whether it's It's the first debate or the first assassination attempt I have found in our content. It's usually like the most comprehensive coverage of the subjects that I'm able to find online and I take a bit of pride in that.

So even when I can't be pointlessly controversial it's worse putting [00:01:00] stuff like this together, but I will yet be pointlessly controversial because I'm going to argue, I kind of like this guy. Aw, that's nice. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's trying to assassinate a president, but I, a conservative, am like, yeah, I'm gonna change a few priors and what, you know, this is actually a pretty brave thing to do.

Simone Collins: Now That's, that's what I've heard what one free press writer said about him, roughly speaking, I'm paraphrasing here Was that he was crazy, but most people were just kind of like, yeah, I get it. Like good cause he's crazy, but he's fighting for a good cause. And that he reminded her of a character played by Brad Pitt.

She is thinking of the movie burn after reading.

Simone Collins: Brad Pitt played a character who was a personal fitness trainer trying to attack the CIA or something and was kind of clueless and basically he reminded her of that and she didn't think that he'd do anything crazy like this [00:02:00] but he did.

What you gonna do?

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, and we've seen the rehabilitation of specific crazy people recently as well, like the Unabomber where this is, oh, now

Simone Collins: everyone loves the, you know, I

Malcolm Collins: disagree with his actions, but the Unabomber's manifesto. Now that's something we need to talk about. Why

Simone Collins: is this such a trendy thing now?

This is so crazy.

Malcolm Collins: No, he's considered, it's weird. He's considered like, I hear about the Univomers Manifesto, probably as much as I hear about Curtis Yardvin these days. And Nixon. Everyone's,

Simone Collins: everyone's in love with Nixon now too. What's up with that?

Malcolm Collins: I was always in love with Nixon. He was a genius of his time.

Did Colbert's favorite president?

Simone Collins: No way.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, he was. Nixon was a genuinely good president, just a little crazy. Actually probably one of the best presidents in American history. Normalizing relations with China for the future of like the next 50 years with nothing but genius. And that is not something that naturally would have happened.

Oh yes, am I, am I outing myself as a Kissinger fan as [00:03:00] well?

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Simone Collins: Well, let's get back to, let's get back to the assassination. Yeah. Sunday,

Malcolm Collins: September 15th, 2024. Shortly before 2 p. m. the incidents occurred at Trump's golf course in West Palm beach, Florida.

Trump was out golfing at the time he was playing Whole five. Now I am going to put on screen a picture of where Trump was on the golf course in where the guy was aiming at him on the golf course. During the incident, Ryan Wesley, Ruth was hiding in the bushes in this area. I am, I am showing on the map here.

Agents [00:04:00] saw his rifle peeking out of the bushes. It was an AK 47 variant. And they fired four to five rounds at the suspect. At which point well, the suspect, Ryan, fired four to five rounds at Ryan, at which point Ryan began to run. He ran to a car he had, and I will show you where it is on the map here right next to where he was hiding.

And he was actually able to escape. And we're going to talk about like, people aren't talking about what a secret service failure this was. But it was when he ran, he dropped a GoPro, the rifle and, his weapons scope. So, the, the he got really far before they caught him.

Simone Collins: Nice.

Malcolm Collins: Wow. I feel you're like, nice, like,

Simone Collins: I mean, this guy clearly has. A very American can do spirit.

Malcolm Collins: So he shot at Trump in Mar a Lago and you've been to Miami, right? He made it Palm beach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He made it above like [00:05:00] Fort Lauderdale before they caught him.

Simone Collins: I mean, honestly, that's just a Christmas miracle.

Making it through Palm beach traffic, Palm beach is a nightmare. Remember when we,

Malcolm Collins: when we, yeah, when

Simone Collins: we were driving. Because we we had a rental car, right? When we went to Mar a Lago, we had a rental car. Yes, we did. And it took us like an hour to get like two miles or something. It was ridiculous.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, absolutely.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of amazed. I'm also kind of amazed that the, the secret service didn't get him. So the secret service was able to All they did

Simone Collins: was walk. Get his, like, stalled car. Yeah, right?

Malcolm Collins: But no, no, but he had made it out of the Miami traffic zone. Gee whiz! What were they doing? They they were only able to catch him easily because of a a picture of his license plate that someone took, right?

Captured by a civilian who saw him running away, which also you've got to keep in mind how like weird this is, right? [00:06:00] So this was at the, it's not like Trump was giving a speech. Speech or something? No, he was just golfing at the golf course. To capture his license plate, you would've had to be outside of the golf course.

So this is a civilian who heard gunshots in the golf course, was outside of the golf course, and at the presence of mind, take pictures of the plates of this guy.

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: that's, that's, that's kind of wild.

Simone Collins: There's a lot of Karens out there, see a car driving slightly weird. And you gotta take a picture of that license plate, send it to the authorities, even though the authorities never do anything per our other con.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So what has this guy been charged with? He's been charged with possession of a firearm as a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number not potentially trying to shoot the president, which is, that's sweet. Okay, pretty interesting. Well, I mean,

Simone Collins: all we have is this cartoonish scene where people see a, a, a, the end of a rifle poking out of a bush and then a guy running away.

I guess that's not enough. What I want to know is

Malcolm Collins: how did the, how, how, [00:07:00] how, after the last attempt. Did the secret service take this guy down? They fired five shots at him. He was 300. It was through

Simone Collins: bushes, Malcolm. I'm sure. Very dense bushes. The bushes are there.

Malcolm Collins: You can see them on video. I don't put the picture on the screen here of where this guy was.

The fact that the secret service couldn't shoot him like the D I B S of the secret service. Cause now it's like man by a woman. And you know that a woman was not the most qualified person. She hasn't resigned. I figured she

Simone Collins: would have resigned

Malcolm Collins: Oh, I'll see if she's resigned in post.

She did in fact resign, not that it really matters because there hasn't been enough time to put a real person in charge of this and fire, all the terrible DEI hires that were made under her command.

Malcolm Collins: No, they haven't really increased his details significantly since the last assassination attempt.

And keep in mind before that assassination attempted, Democrats were trying to even further roll back his, his Secret Service details. Some senators were to almost [00:08:00] nothing, to basically attempt to get him assassinated. And I think that that's basically the zone we're in now where they are trying to get this guy assassinated.

But what, so sorry, what are you gonna say?

Simone Collins: How do you suppose. This gentleman came to understand that Trump would be golfing at that time. Just he watched motorcades or something. Oh, whoops.

Malcolm Collins: Trump apparently has a pretty routine golf habit. So,

Simone Collins: he's probably autistic, isn't he? He's tone deaf enough and routine enough and with his, his, his dietary habits and his golf and his son, who is wildly You

Malcolm Collins: know, he eats fast food at McDonald's to not be poisoned.

And I think a lot of people Right, but also,

Simone Collins: doesn't he like the, you know, consistency? A

Malcolm Collins: lot of people heard that and they're like, that's a crazy thing to do. When you now realize how little the Secret Service actually has his back. I'm like, that's not crazy at all. Like, that's probably the only reason he's alive.[00:09:00]

Yeah. But

Simone Collins: also there's just a lot of things about him that seem autistic to me. Like him thinking the white house is a shithole because kind of, because it's not his personal space, you know, when it's old, what I'm going to

Malcolm Collins: do is I'm going to turn the full white house into a museum and I will live in a trailer behind the white house.

You would,

Simone Collins: you totally would.

Malcolm Collins: No, I believe that the president needs to show a sign of austerity to the American people and a sign of generosity by giving his house to them. Yeah. And I think that that would be a very positive signal and would keep me focused on the task at hand instead of indulging in this big mansion, which I do not think is befitting of the leader of the free world.

I, I think that the leader of the free world should be living with a degree degree of elective

Simone Collins: counter argument when dealing with Foreign national leaders, it is important that we present a representative of our nation who comes across as [00:10:00] formidable and someone who lives and no, I'm not knocking on anyone who lives in a trailer right now, but I just would.

argue that the trappings of living in a trailer are not as formidable as the trappings of someone living in the White House.

Malcolm Collins: I disagree really strongly on this point. I think that even in other countries, they understand that the discipline of austerity and they respect it. And I think we saw this with the Yeah, but that means you sleep on the floor in a, in the bowling

Simone Collins: alley.

I mean, that's, who was that? Was it Frederick the, it was a Frederick of Prussia, right? Who, sorry about Indy. It was who, who like, Was very austere. He was, he was a Prussian King. Wasn't here. Was it, was he

Malcolm Collins: Russian? I don't remember. You know what I'm

Simone Collins: talking about? Just incredibly like gruel every day. Amazing military leader.

And was just insanely austere, but definitely was a king who did that.

Speaker 3: In other words, Frederick William projected an air of hyper [00:11:00] masculinity, Calvinist piety, and frugal financial habits. And naturally, he wanted his eldest surviving son Frederick, nicknamed Fritz, to grow up to be just like him. A hyper virile religious soldier king, to use the great instrument of Prussian military power that he'd created.

Now, the first six years of Fritz's life, he'd lived with his mother. And under her care, young Fritz developed what his father considered worrying habits. Fritz loved music and books. He grew incredibly close to his older sister Wilhelmina, enjoyed poetry, philosophy, opera, and learned to play the flute.

Worse than that, it was the transverse flute, recently invented in France. Oh, Frederick William hated France and was known to fly into a rage if the country was even mentioned. The French, he said, were decadent and effeminate. So imagine his consternation when Fritz, who was tutored in French and German simultaneously, took to French as his first language and struggled with his native German.

Simone Collins: But I think part of that was just [00:12:00] his badassery and his austerity, but he didn't do stunts and I think that the, a trailer stunt would in itself seem indulgent, No, because you're doing it

Malcolm Collins: with utility, like you're arguing that there's no utility gain from this.

If you were able to turn the full White House into an accessible museum at all times of day that is a great gift to the American people. You're acting like it's being done with no benefit or just for performative austerity, when it's not. This is something the American people You should have always had access to and don't have access to and you could choose the location of it to be safer than the existing White House.

Oh, you're training on security details. That the White House is in such an exposed location increases the cost of the security around it dramatically.

Simone Collins: Or you could do some kind of. Elon Musk homeless billionaire thing where you just crash on the couch of a [00:13:00] foreign national leader every week. You know, every night you're like, Hey, sleep on your couch.

And then, you know, it develops international relations. You know, you build some rapport with these people, right?

Malcolm Collins: Kind of

Simone Collins: forces it state congressman's houses, you know, really building alliances. Actually that, that would be cool is if you couch surfed with your domestic and international. Ladies on love

Malcolm Collins: hosting you

Simone Collins: that see that I'm for I'm for couch surfing.

I'm not for the trailer, but I am for the couch surfing.

Malcolm Collins: I believe in living in solidarity. Well, then couch surf.

Simone Collins: There's loads of homeless Americans who don't even have a trailer.

We're going to

Malcolm Collins: continue here with what happened to him after this, okay? Fine. How did

Simone Collins: we get

Malcolm Collins: here? Good God. So in his first appearance in a West Palm Beach federal courtroom, because he survived. Wow, he's already in court. Geez, it's been a day. He was wearing a navy blue prison jumpsuit and shackles. He appeared subdued, [00:14:00] respectful, and in good spirits.

He could be seen laughing at times with his public defender. Public defender. That's great. Okay. Yeah. And we're going to talk about why he has a public defender. Cause that's actually pretty interesting as well. He spent all his money on guns. He has past felony charges. Yeah. He has a felony charge for possessing a weapon of mass destruction.

I thought just an

Simone Collins: automatic rifle, right?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it was just an automatic rifle. So I'll recount the story 2002. In Greensboro News and Record recounts an incident in which Rouse was pulled over during a traffic stop on Sunday night. He, quote, put his hand on a firearm, end quote, and drove to his roofing business where he barricaded himself inside for three hours.

The weapons of mass destruction charge pertain to a fully automatic machine gun, it reported. It is a fully automatic weapon. He was charged with several misdemeanors and felonies between 2001 and 2010, including a hit and run offense, carrying a concealed weapon, and possessing stolen goods. Separately, North Carolina [00:15:00] judicial records list Rouse as the defendant in over half a dozen court cases between 1991 and 2016, including tax delinquencies and bad checks.

So this is just a guy who wasn't making a lot of money. He made mistakes, but I mean, hit and run I, you know, this is one of these things where like, maybe, but maybe not, you know, I, I, I don't know. He just seems like a typical guy. This isn't like a driving while intoxicated or something. Right. Which by the way, who has one of those Kamala Harris's VP where you could have actually killed someone for like nothing.

This is like a bunch of like random drug charges and somebody who's poor struggling to get by type charges. Okay. So, Mr. Rouse is particularly well known for being really, and his main cause, and the thing that drove him to this, is he is incredibly pro Ukraine.

Mm hmm.

And he is also pro Palestine, which you know, Ick. Oh, I [00:16:00] didn't

know.

He's pro Palestine, he's pro Taiwan, and he has a bunch of anti Chinese messages on his profile. He actually accuses China of biological warfare for the COVID 19 virus, which he saw as an attack. And so this guy he went to Ukraine to try to help them in the war.

And I'll read some quotes about this. So Mr. Roscoe had no military experience, told the New York Times in 2023 that he had traveled to Ukraine immediately after Russia's invasion in 2022 to find military recruits among Afghan soldiers who had fled the Taliban. He seems to be involved in recruitment efforts as recently as this summer, writing on his Facebook in July.

Quote, soldiers, please do not call me. We are still trying to get Ukraine to accept Afghan soldiers and hope to have some answers in the coming months, dot, dot, dot, please have patience in quote. And he was never, what ended up being the primary stumbling block from him. Is he [00:17:00] had this plan to take people from struggling nations, like Afghanistan, where like, you know, you have corrupt governments and it's really bad to live there and get them visas to live in Ukraine, which could be a marginally better country in exchange for them fighting War and pay around that which honestly, like, if you believe in the Ukrainian cause, which I do, right.

That's not stupid.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but I thought what I had thought he was doing, which I thought would be a little bit smarter is to create a band of mercenary. Americans who just want to go fight, who bring their own guns. That's why I thought he had a, an automatic firearm on, on almost like war tourism basis because I, I

Malcolm Collins: mean, it's a good, it's a better plan than the plan you just outlined.

Simone Collins: Yeah. That didn't, that is a more, yeah. Like an actual like policy based. To take [00:18:00] a

Malcolm Collins: country that is worse off than Ukraine today Yeah, where a lot of people have military experience Yeah, move them to Ukraine and keep in mind. This was not his first plan His first plan was to join the Ukrainian military himself Yeah.

They wouldn't allow him when he arrived in Kiev because he was one, old, and two, didn't have military experience. And so then he tried the next best thing. So if you want to understand like why I respect this individual in a way he's literally trying a bunch of logical things to achieve an objective he sees as morally right.

Simone Collins: Well and he's putting his money where his mouth is. Well, he's putting his life where his mouth is. He's really, When he sees a problem, he personally appears to do everything that he can to solve it, despite being a man of clearly limited means.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and despite everyone working against him, he went to Ukraine, they told him no.

He's like, what? Okay, you need people with military experience? I'll find them for you in other countries and I'll bring them here. And then Now that doesn't make

Simone Collins: it okay to attempt to shoot [00:19:00] a former president.

Malcolm Collins: Well, consider it from his perspective, okay? I used to be, you know, up until now I've been fairly pro Ukraine.

I say this is the cheapest war America has ever caught. I'm not pro Ukraine because I give about Ukrainians. Okay. Like Ukrainians fine, like, okay. But I don't think it's America's job to interfere with foreign countries and stuff like that. But Russia has been a persistent enemy to the United States for about a century now.

And they have not signaled any willingness to abate that persistent threat status. And what did our parents go to Vietnam for? What did they go to Korea for? But to attempt to defang Russia on the international stage. Ukraine costs less for us and we're not even sendin The reason why my stance was, I was actually convi on this.

He's [00:20:00] basically t we've bled Russia enough rates, they will never be again. Can we just end the Okay. Can we just in the killing now? And that's what I'm like, you know what? You're right. The incremental loss of life, like if this war goes on for another five years, realistically, where is it going to end in five years?

Just a lot more

Simone Collins: people will be dead. Yeah. Just a

Malcolm Collins: lot more people will be dead and maybe one side will have 20 percent more land than they have today. I do not think that's a good equation. Well, and also it's

Simone Collins: unclear which side. Two. So yeah,

Malcolm Collins: just in the, in the killing. Okay. But he doesn't see that way.

He believed I am, I, I can see the logic behind this. If we allow a country to unjustly invade another country, right. And take their land, can they just keep going right? Like if, if, if their fear is quote unquote NATO, well, now they have [00:21:00] justification to attack all sorts of other countries, right?

Transistria, definitely. You know, there's, there's, there's a lot of Transistria,

Simone Collins: I'm sorry,

Malcolm Collins: name of it, right? That's the region next to Ukraine that they would move to next. They already have a Russian public government operational. I see. They actually leaked plans accidentally that they did plan to invade it after Ukraine.

So yeah, I mean, we're just dealing with one country after another. If. If Russia feels like they won this war, the problem is is they've depleted their military capacity in terms of humans, and they're not producing more Russian women aren't having kids. They have an incredibly low fertility rate.

They can't replace the soldiers that they've lost. They've lost a generation. Okay, there's not gonna be another war with Russia. They don't have the tech to fight anyone else. They are dealing with Children's level technology at this point. Okay, it's a bunch of soviet nonsense that they're slightly [00:22:00] upgrading.

Their fleet is basically non operational. They can't operate. I mean, Ukrainians can basically just put explosives on an A. I operated jet ski and take out anything now. Okay. Like, the, the nature of war has changed. All of their stockpiles are useless. They don't matter anymore. Do we need to keep this going?

But I understand his perspective. If you're approaching this with his perspective assassinating Trump is probably the single number one thing you could do to move the needle because Trump is going to pull the piece. He's gonna push it for an end of the killing.

Simone Collins: Right, so this guy sees Trump say things like, If I'm elected, I'm just going to make a few calls.

And even before I'm in office, I'm going to end this war. And he thinks, Oh, great. He's going to get some kind of major concession of land. That's not cool. Ukraine all the way. And I have to end this guy. And he did, by the way, if I understand correctly, claim to have voted for Trump. At one point, but then come to regret it.

[00:23:00] Is that correct? Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: well, I mean, this guy and people use this to say that he's like pro Trump. He voted for Trump two election cycles ago. In 2016. Okay,

Simone Collins: so he did not vote for Trump in 2020.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, he has, he has, he has an absolutely died in the world. Democrat. What we call Democrat these days, i. e. pro urban monoculture, individual

Simone Collins: Palestine.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: He's pro Ukraine. He's not like based where he has like conflicting opinions. He's just in line with the urban monoculture on every single step.

Simone Collins: Well, and the blue hair, the blue hair is, is the rallying cry stylistically of far left, pro Ukraine. Membership, I

Malcolm Collins: didn't see the blue hair in recent pictures.

Did you see this? And I was looking and I tried to look for it.

Simone Collins: Are you serious? The picture of him wearing

Malcolm Collins: his blue hair, but I don't think it's called a flack

Simone Collins: jacket and a little bandana and half of half of his hair is white and then. Roughly 25 to 28 percent of it is blue.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, fans of our show [00:24:00] today and I hope to become more famous as time goes on, you'll get to say, you started following me before my hair turned white.

We got a haircut and I noticed just how much of my hair I've been getting, you know, white hairs for a while now. Oh no. But this, this

Simone Collins: latest backyard cheer, definitely. It was like

Malcolm Collins: getting close to like 20%. I know you can't see it in my actual hair because the rest of my hair is so, Well, colored but people in your locks are so luscious

Simone Collins: and thick.

Yes.

Malcolm Collins: White hair at a fairly young age. We never have like recession or the amount of hair we have doesn't go down, but we get pure white hair. Oh, you like it though. You've seen like my dad, he's got like a big full head of white hair.

Simone Collins: I just know even, even fictional characters with white hair. It just gets, gets me.

I'm very excited for this. I'm so jealous because my hair will never be white. It will be. Brown forever and then ever so slightly gray. I don't, I don't

Malcolm Collins: think I have more than eight years before I go full white.

Simone Collins: I know, I'm so excited.

Malcolm Collins: So I'll be looking young and just have jet white [00:25:00] hair, which I'm excited about.

This is why you're

Simone Collins: not allowed to get assassinated. Where will I get? White haired Malcolm if you somehow get assassinated don't do it. Okay,

Malcolm Collins: just so when questioned by the judge He said he had quote unquote zero funds in his bank account Yeah, living off of a monthly income of 3, 000 his only assets He told the court were two trucks in Hawaii that were worth about a thousand dollars each So the 3, 000 nobody has any idea where it's come from yet.

So I'm just gonna make a note of that his recent address is listed in Hawaii, but he spent most of his time in North Carolina. According to property records, Bruce owned a camp box, Honolulu, a shed building company. It also built tiny homes according to a LinkedIn profile. And he studied at the Carol North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, which he graduated in 1998.

He sorry, I'll

Simone Collins: just, by the way, I'm sending you on WhatsApp, the picture of him. With partially [00:26:00] blue hair, just so you know I'm not crazy, because he totally

Malcolm Collins: And, by the way, he referenced, you're talking about him in relation to other assassinations. Who were killed.

In reference to the last assassination attempt um, he uh,

Uh, asked Kamala and, uh, Biden to go and, uh, go to the, the, the uh, people who were killed families, funerals, and to see if there was anything they could do for them because he didn't think that Trump would do anything for them. And so like, clearly he saw that, no, I don't know if he would have done that had that not happened with the other assassination attempt, but I think he saw it and he was like, I don't want to go out doing something like that.

Okay. And, and from what we know now, the other assassin was a clout chaser, and that was the primary motivator. . When he went, when, when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, here's a quote from [00:27:00] him. I'm coming to Ukraine from Hawaii to fight for your kids and families and democracy. I will come and die for you, end quote.

So he, and he shared a photo of himself in Kiev, Ukraine's capital. You know, it's quite hard for men of fighting age to leave Ukraine. So like going into this, he is fully committed. And he says then later, quote, my initial goal was to fight, but I'm 56. So initially they were like, I have no military experience.

So they were like, you're not an ideal candidate. So they said, you're not right this minute. So plan B was to come here to Kiev and promote getting more people here. End quote, quote, this is. About good versus evil in quote. And so he urged people, even those who didn't have military skills to take up arms Ukraine.

He offered to help connect them with military units. He was interviewed by several news organizations, including the New York Times and Sanford in 2023. He told Sanford that he had not been able to convince. Isn't that

Simone Collins: pronounced semaphore

Malcolm Collins: semaphore? I don't know. Quote, quote, to issue one single visa in quote for soldiers.

It is not clear whether he actually [00:28:00] ever had contact with the ministry. Now the ministry said he has no contact with the unit, but they actually go more into detail in this in just a second. CBS news, foreign correspondent, Holly Williams immediately recognized Ross name when she woke up in London on Monday to the news of his arrest.

She'd been in contact with him for more than a year. That's In the early stages of the war in the Ukraine, which she covered extensively. It was one of the flyers he had posted around Kiev offering to help other foreigners get deployed with Ukrainian battalions that initially caught William's eye and prompted her to get in touch with him.

They spoke at least once on the phone and texted frequently. Ross put William in touch with several foreign fighters . And she said he seemed very genuine and passionate about supporting Ukraine in his battle with Finno Russian invasion. But William said Rouse at times seemed fairly naïve, including when he spoke of his ambition to help bring thousands of Afghan and Syrian refugee fighters to the Ukrainian war effort.

Rus told the New York Times in 2023 that [00:29:00] he was seeking recruits among Afghan soldiers who fled the Taliban, aiming to purchase passports through Pakistan, since it's such a corrupt country, and move them, in some cases illegally, into Ukraine from Pakistan and Iran. The Times described Rus as a, quote, Former construction worker from Greensboro, North Carolina.

He spent several months in Ukraine last year, end quote, the same months he complained to semaphore, however it's pronounced about the Ukrainian government's lack of support, saying that they're being overly rigid about admitting foreign soldiers, especially from Afghan over concerns that they might be Russian spies.

Quote, I have had partners meeting with Ukraine military's defense every week and still not been able to get them to agree to one single visa.

But unfortunately, a representative from Ukraine's foreign legion told CNN that he had reached out to them several times online, but, quote, was never a part of the legion and didn't cooperate in any way, end quote, end quote. The best way I can describe his message is, delusional ideas in quote. So, and then quote, he was [00:30:00] offering us large numbers of recruits from different countries, but it was obvious to us that his offers were not realistic.

He didn't, we didn't answer and there was nothing to answer to in quote. Yeah, this is

Simone Collins: a very, it seems like Upstart optimistic, values driven person, repeatedly rubbing up against the logistical corruption of bureaucracies, which could probably utilize his help if they weren't so rigid in the way they operated.

Malcolm Collins: Absolutely. Yeah. His plan was not stupid, but he wasn't able to implement it. And like, if they're worried about Russian spies, then create specific battalions was the units he's bringing over from Afghanistan. There are genuinely people after the Taliban who took over a military experience trained by the U S military in Afghanistan, who would be useful in a situation like this.

Like the, the, the pure reason they were turning his nose at this was [00:31:00] bureaucratic. On creativity in terms of handling this.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Well, that's the frustrating thing about many bureaucracies is that even if you want to help, if you cannot help through the specific and correct channel with the correct certifications and paperwork, then you simply cannot participate.

Which is a huge loss to human productivity and development.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I don't think like, I wonder, I don't think I'm that much crazy. Like if I had less access to resources than I have or less access to public respect than I have, and I needed to get people to pay attention to certain topics, could I be seen as as crazy as this guy in a different timeline?

Simone Collins: You're probably seen as more crazy than this guy. He did not try to start a religion.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, yeah, it's true. Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely more crazy than him. So like, I'm like in, I, I, I look at him and I'm just like, he was [00:32:00] trying his best to live out his moral thesis. I believe that he became overly attached to this Ukraine idea and just kept looking for solutions instead of seeing that they fought for long enough.

The purpose of them resisting is over now when fertility rates are considered.

Simone Collins: I do think though that his act and the act of the other assassin attempted assassin would be assassin of former President Donald Trump is that this indicates a, an over 10 window shift in the way that people view acceptable actions of protest.

I think that we, and you see this also in, in crime, which we discussed in another recent episode. We've entered an age in which it is seen as appropriate to take violent and drastic action if you believe that you are morally justified in doing so. That it is okay to steal, that it is okay to attempt to kill, that it is okay to engage in election wiggles if you believe the cause is [00:33:00] just.

And it scares me because in the past there was a lot more respect for civil society And for rules and institutions I don't blame people, though, for kind of declaring bankruptcy on institutions now and saying we have to take matters into our own hands because they've become corrupted in a meaningful way.

So people trusted institutions more in the past because the institutions worked and they're not working anymore. So people are taking matters into their own hands. But it, it's still scary that we live in a society in which that is.

Malcolm Collins: I'm going to try to get the clip now because one of our fans got it for us.

A popular show where Democrats basically say, yeah, it's okay to create erections.

Speaker 11: Three weeks ago, Henry Roberts raised six million dollars in dark money to fund an off the books guerrilla oppo operation. He asked me to run it. Nobody seems to be willing to do what is necessary.

And what's [00:34:00] that? Whatever it takes. Democrats act like this is the nineties and they're working under the old rules. The new rules are these attack, lie, don't get caught. Machiavelli wrote the Prince for the rulers.

Well, we're rewriting it for us.

Malcolm Collins: We need to have more problems with our erections because they're just not, yeah, you know, we can't trust Republicans. So we have to do it preemptively. Now here's another interesting thing. I had two kids.

And so his kids have spoken on this afterwards.

Holy, wait,

Simone Collins: whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry, that's just sinking in. He has children. How old are they? They must be grown. They're grown, yeah. Or at least, I mean, I don't know, someone in their 50s probably is 20 somethings? They don't

Malcolm Collins: seem grown, but they seem, honestly, like, Super respectable people. So Oren, one of his sons, told CNN quote, It's not like his father to do anything crazy, much less violent, end quote.

End quote. I don't have any comment beyond a [00:35:00] character profile of him as a loving and caring father, an honest, hardworking man, end quote. And he told the Daily Mail that his dad hates Trump, but stressed that he is not a violent person and said he's never known him to own a gun. Following up later in text.

Quote, I hate this game every four years and think that we all do. And if my father wants to be a martyr to How broken and disassociated the process has become from the real problems and practical solution. That's his choice. End quote. Right. What a bro son. I love that. That's a bro son. Yeah, man. And keep in mind, you're going to hear this from us Trump supporters.

This guy was a cliche Democrat, but at least he really valued the things he said he valued. Yeah, I have heard so many Democrats these days where they're like, I value X and I value Y are like crazy, delusional nonsense. This guy was like, [00:36:00] I don't want a country to just be able to invade like a peaceful neighbor and try to take them over.

Like, that's a cause. That I can understand his mental calculation.

Simone Collins: But he also supports Palestine.

Malcolm Collins: He also supports Palestine, which, okay.

Simone Collins: So I don't know. I mean, whatever. As to the,

Malcolm Collins: the, the, the sexification of evil, like when, when, and why did we start to sexualize evil in our society? And I do think within this urban monoculture, moral framework, the more Low power group is the more high more value.

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's possible.

Malcolm Collins: And you can see this in every one of these conflicts. He's supporting the weaker party, not the more just party, the weaker party,

Simone Collins: which is a, yeah, it's, it's a very progressive leftist view, which, you know, I get it's also depending on which faction the many many Christian factions kind of [00:37:00] also hold that you know

Malcolm Collins: actually this is this is sort of the way I I see things right like where do people break down on which side they support he in every one of these instances supports the weaker party in some instances I see individuals who always support the stronger party in every one of these three potential conflicts And then in some instances I see people and this is where we fall.

Do you support the more civilized party? Or do you support the less civilized party? Where if you support the more civilized party, then it's, you know, you create. No,

Simone Collins: no, no. I universally progressive C. And then that's the same show, the good fight that you were referring to earlier where they were like, oh, it's, it's, justified to have election wiggles because you know, the other side is just that bad.

Republicans are seen as the inherently uncivilized and very stupid and uneducated party. In fact, another common theme of that show is just how dumb anyone who supports Trump with the exception of one character is. So all Trump appointed judges, the plot [00:38:00] line with all their court cases it's pretty much just like, how do we dumb this down for them?

Let's make a cartoon for our plea. Let's, let's, let's hire actors to react to them in a way that manipulates them. Let's do all sorts of things like that. So I, I don't, I don't think your argument about the cultured or the civilized party works. I think it is very common for any group to dehumanize the other side.

And they see us equally.

Malcolm Collins: No, I think you're wrong about this. I think that they, when they are looking at foreign powers, they think that the lack of civilized, like, like being on, well, we can talk about, but I've, I've definitely seen along Marxist lines, individuals who both support like the tankies, they both support Russia and Palestine.

Oh, this is definitely a faction that exists. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, you can get a faction that supports pretty much any permutation. Now, what I'm curious is if you [00:39:00] think this will affect The 2024 U S presidential election or not in the betting odds. We've seen basically zero change or 1 percent change. Whereas with the first assassination attempt, we saw roughly 11 percent change.

So I don't know, we've normalized to it. And this is the new school shooting, you know, just another,

Malcolm Collins: another one.

Speaker 4: Baby! You're okay! Uh, hey mom. It's alright, Stanley. We will get tHrough this as a family.

Stanley, well, do you want to tell your father about what happened at school today?

Speaker 5: Um, oh, I flunked my math quiz.

Speaker 4: No, the other thing.

Speaker 5: Oh, the school shooting?

Speaker 4: Yes, the school shooting!

Speaker 5: Oh yeah, some kids shot up the school. Who shot up the school? Was it you?

Speaker 4: No.

Speaker 5: Did you get shot? No. Oh. Well, what's this about failing a math quiz?

Malcolm Collins: Well, okay, so I also want to note here that this guy's book, which was a 291 page self published book. Oh, it's [00:40:00] out there. Yeah. It's on titled Ukraine's unwinnable war, the fatal flaw of democracy, world abandonment and the global citizen, Taiwan, Afghan, North Korea, and the end of humanity is what the book is titled.

Okay. That's

Simone Collins: a, that's a title. That's a mouthful.

Malcolm Collins: One, one thing I found interesting in the comments that was suggested and I don't know if this works for presidents because you have need to make, you know, international things, but I actually quite liked this idea for local politicians is they said that the way that you could end a lot of the corruption that we're seeing in terms of like actually trying to clean up cities is you make a law that mayors cannot have protection details when they're walking around their cities.

Well, then they would just

Simone Collins: stop walking around their cities.

Malcolm Collins: Well, their cities need to be safe.

Simone Collins: They barely walk around their cities as it is. I don't think that would be very effective. If you want to stop corruption in politics, no longer allow for any political donations. Like, aside from citizen donations under 50.[00:41:00]

Malcolm Collins: I don't know if I told you about this, was the, the, the idea that whenever a president leaves his second term in office, he's executed. Only people who are willing to give their lives to the role are willing to take the role. So if you are running for president, you know, you're not running for potential benefits afterwards.

You're not running for a long term ego. It's only if you are literally willing to give your life for this position. Because I think that that would lead to much higher action. Now, I don't know if that's as realistic, but I have some government plans drawn out and we'll see how those work.

Simone Collins: It's so funny. Our, our other friends who have dreams of running for president and that they, they consider extreme and crazy or like, well, I would run on one platform issue and that is to turn all tax returns into a one page return, which is dreamy, but also like, you know, pretty, pretty violent considering how corrupt the, the tax [00:42:00] life,

Malcolm Collins: what's the tax pro or whatever, that app that literally has a contract.

TurboTax has a contract with the U. S. government. No, no, no. You

Simone Collins: don't understand how corrupt the U. S. tax system is. Literally, there are parts, there, there are certain, for example, non profit tax filings. We had to make a, a different type of non profit tax filing for the Pragmatist Foundation after we received that larger grant from the Survival and Flourishing Fund.

And we had to fill out a more detailed one. I tried to, I, I downloaded the form, and I completed it. I did all the things. And then I needed to file it. Well, there was no place for me to file it. There was no place I could mail it. And so I contacted the IRS, which is our, our tax body in the United States.

And I said, well, where do I send the form? I downloaded it, I completed it. They're like, oh, you can only support it, submit it online. I'm like, okay, great. Where's the website? They're like, no, no, no. You, you have to submit it through an authorized tax filer. And I say, okay, so I have to go to a [00:43:00] company that is authorized to work with me.

And you would pay

Malcolm Collins: like 500 if you were going to submit it, like

Simone Collins: And not only that, I was like, okay, fine, you know, I'll pay someone a token amount to submit the already completed form. Maybe I can get a discount from their support team or something. I was willing to play the game. No, that was not an option.

I had to completely go through their entire software. And do the entire thing over again and then submit it. And this is the, so I have to pay a private organization that is obviously like lobbied the government and filled out a bunch of paperwork and filled their own, like filing forms and paid all this stuff to like get in, in with the government to, to pay the government.

Money. Well, as a nonprofit, I'm not even paying the government money. So maybe that's, that's what's going on is I'm not paying them enough, but it just, it's amazing how corrupt our system is. It isn't just TurboTax, but this is why this could never happen. We can't engage in tax reform taken down

Malcolm Collins: like as a company, like I was, I was running for federal office.

Simone Collins: TurboTax is, is, is yeah. Yeah. Because for those who are not in the United States, [00:44:00] TurboTax is a, a private organization. That is an intense lobbyist to the United States government that sort of has cornered a large proportion of the tax filing market in the United States. They've

Malcolm Collins: intentionally made tax filing more complicated so that you cannot file it without their product.

Simone Collins: Right. And then there's a lot of other. Private interests that have lobbied for all sorts of unique tax loopholes so that, that, that even further complicates us tax code. There are all these weird deductions and rules and loopholes. And so basically people with money and resources And organizations that make money from people who are forced to navigate this incredibly complex system have made it such that there is no hope of reforming or simplifying UX us tax code, which is, well,

Malcolm Collins: I remember the nine, nine, nine plan.

I love that, that politician, but I don't remember

Simone Collins: the nine, nine, nine.

Malcolm Collins: So it was a black politician in the original rent is too

Simone Collins: damn high guy.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, no, no, no. This was like the legit guy who was actually top of Republican polling for a [00:45:00] pretty long period. I think this was in the initial Trump election.

He ran like Papa John's pieces. I'll edit and post.

Herman Cain is the candidate. I was thinking of.

Malcolm Collins: He was. I think on an alternate timeline as crazy and amazing a president as Trump was, he was, I loved him so effing much. He was like my guy as a candidate. So he wanted 9 percent income tax, 9 percent tails tax, and 9 percent business tax. Across everything, flat tax, and he one of my favorite things about him is he goes and to quote a famous poet, and then he went through the lyrics of a song from the Pokemon movie.

And it appears that he might not have known he was doing this.

Speaker 7: I believe these words came from the Pokemon movie. The media pointed that out. I'm not sure who the original author [00:46:00] is. So don't go write an article about the poem. But it says a lot about where I am, where I am with my wife and my family and where we are as a nation. Life. Can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible.

It's never easy. When there's so much on the line. But you and I can make a difference.

Malcolm Collins: No, that's so good. This guy is my Hero, why

Simone Collins: did he not? Oh, this makes me so sad. I thought we'd done the best, the craziest

Malcolm Collins: timeline. No, no, no, no. We don't look for timeline. This guy ended up winning and I love him. [00:47:00] Anyway,

Simone Collins: that's, but you'd never get it.

I mean, like 999 is. You know, like German. No, no, no. My, I always make my phone extensions when I can choose them nine, nine, nine. Cause I just want like, no, no, no calls. But yeah, I don't know. The, the, the, the word, the word needs some,

Malcolm Collins: Simone, you too frequently use the term live in Trump. Yeah, my, my, my liking.

You're always like, well, we need more. Well,

Simone Collins: no, it's when our kids are in my face. I'm like, get out of my face. I like, well if people are going to call us Nazis, I just want to keep using like Nazi references, but then you always point out that someone's going to misconstrue it, you know, and like, they are, you know, I'm like walking around our house and I'm like, man, like this, you know, our garbage bag storage bin is just getting too messy.

I need a solution, a final solution. And it just,

Malcolm Collins: Simone, you are going to get us so in trouble when there is one

Simone Collins: famous person we've met though, [00:48:00] and where I made like a Nazi reference and he, he got. That I was making a joke and it made me feel so validated and Okay. 'cause at least, who was this? The one person,

Malcolm Collins: certainly.

Okay. That guy. Okay. Yeah. We can't say

um,

Simone Collins: um, But yeah, I was

Malcolm Collins: asleep.

Simone Collins: Yes, it was when you were asleep. Oh, you're

Malcolm Collins: so sweet. So I really appreciate you. I'm sorry that that is one of the biggest mistakes in my life.

Simone Collins: No, because he would have passed out anyway. It was too late. But yeah, no, no, I, I hate that I can't make Nazi jokes because the one thing that Jews always do, at least they did in the days of Mel Brooks movies, was make Nazi jokes.

Speaker 9: It's springtime for Hitler and Germany. We'rE marching to a fast march. Look out, here comes the master race.

Simone Collins: Like, I don't get it. [00:49:00] And I'm, I'm probably Jewish, so like tech, technically, like she means the matrilineally Jewish.

Malcolm Collins: We've been looking at getting it approved with the Jewish state, but I just realized like we actually don't have like, I don't have time to go through records. We could do it if we really had time, but I just don't care.

Like I care a little bit, but not enough to spend like multiple full days

Simone Collins: going through all this. And now we're

Malcolm Collins: at a state where it's pretty clear to us. That's what it's going to come to. Who

Simone Collins: cares if I'm actually Jewish or not? We're we love Jews and we love Jewish. Yeah. But I've also

Malcolm Collins: realized I'm not going to let my kids, like earlier, we did a video where we were raising our kids was like Jewish religion alongside, moved further and further away from that as time as I don't

Simone Collins: know.

I mean, I'm still bullish on them doing some Jewish holidays.

Malcolm Collins: Some, but here's the problem. Judaism has been far, far, far too conquered by its mystical side. And, [00:50:00] like, I just don't know how much actual Judaism is left.

Simone Collins: Well, you know, if your stance on mysticism is It holds if your theories around mysticism hold the mystic side will not flourish over the long term and in the end right

Malcolm Collins: but but but if you allow it to conquer it can destroy an entire culture like it did with Islam in the old

Simone Collins: but yeah, oh, I think that there will always be a faction of non mystic Jews or or mystic Jews who turn non mystic when they discover that mysticism is not good for them or not working out.

Malcolm Collins: So when people understand what I mean here, look, it was Christianity, right? Christianity was Judaism. And then we added, you know, some, some, some additional texts and it becomes a new religion. You had the new Testament. It becomes a new religion. And then, you know, with Islam, then you add, you know, the, the Koran and it becomes a new religion.

And then Judaism, you know, what was it? a thousand years ago, 500 years ago, they added a new text long after the other religions, the Kabbalah literature, [00:51:00] and it doesn't become a new religion. Why? So when people hear me like a stall Judaism, I am a stalling the pre and non mystical

Simone Collins: Judaism.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. The, the iterations of Judaism that are, antagonistic to kabbalistic tradition.

Now

Simone Collins: you've made it clear that pretty much every major religion has factions that you admire and factions that you don't and that's fine.

Malcolm Collins: But I don't want to, I mean, we do have to have people that are like, oh, why do you spend so much time in some tracts? Are arguing that you're not explicitly anti semitic and it's like well It's because a lot of people are going to try to paint us that way.

Because I don't know don't people see us

Simone Collins: as as overly

Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah, some people see us as overly filio semitic, which I I guess we are I would say we are

Simone Collins: When you look at our friends when you look at the the religious Histories that we find most fascinating, religious groups that we think are flourishing, that we think everyone can [00:52:00] learn a lot from, groups that we generally respect a lot for their achievements broadly.

Come on. But whatever. I, I think that there is a long history of. Great Jewish comedians. And one of the things that comedians turn to a lot is super controversial and not okay subjects, including antisemitism. And maybe one of the issues with antisemitism these days is a Jew stopped joking about it.

And suddenly everyone's getting all antisemitic and we can't make fun of them anymore. So what's going on guys? I don't know. Again, we need a solution to this problem.

Malcolm Collins: Are you a final solution? Yes. Malcolm, you are the worst. I love you. I love you too. Have a wonderful day.

All right. So for dinner tonight do we have leftovers from yesterday for the miss? Okay. So, and it appears we have leftovers of rice as well.

Simone Collins: A little bit of meat and a little bit of fried rice. I figure it's just the perfect one portion serving. Maybe some steamed buns. Like No,

Malcolm Collins: if you're adding anything to it, I [00:53:00] got some potatoes today.

If you got potatoes, either the potatoes or the you got

Simone Collins: potatoes at Trader Joe's.

Malcolm Collins: Yes, it was. It's a mix of cut potatoes with like some like French like mushrooms and like some other. Oh, oh,

Simone Collins: one of the frozen bags. One of the frozen bags.

Malcolm Collins: So you cook a little bit of that. I think that would go really well with what I'm eating today.

Simone Collins: Okay. So is it okay? Do you want me to stir fry everything together? Is that okay? I have to do everything separately because I'm just thinking like three pans versus one pan for me in terms of clean up. That works.

Malcolm Collins: That works. Whatever you think is best. Start with the frozen thing and then add the other stuff in later.

Simone Collins: Okay.

I will do that. I love you. I love you too. God.

Malcolm Collins: Stop being so gay. Okay. Cause you're being pretty gay right now. I will

Simone Collins: always be gay for you, Malcolm and nobody else. God, I love you. I really like our chats. So thanks for this. All right, [00:54:00] I'm coming down. How

Malcolm Collins: do, how do we keep it fresh? Some people said they don't like our new stuff, by the way.

Simone Collins: They say we're becoming

Malcolm Collins: too algorithm driven and like, yeah, but I'm winning at the algorithm right now. So,

Simone Collins: well, yeah, if they want to, if they want to send droves of people to us.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. We got 5, 000 subscribers in the last month alone. Like, yeah, I'm algorithm driven now. I figured it out. Well, yeah,

Simone Collins: maybe the opinion of those 5, 000 people matters a little bit more than the opinion of that one complainer, but also keep in mind, like when it comes to user studies of any change of any product online, for example,

Malcolm Collins: any change is seen antagonistically.

Or would you like to know more to a theme song intro, but then they will always

Simone Collins: start with, would you like to know more and move into the theme song? Right.

Malcolm Collins: It

Simone Collins: should, it should. I really need to get up, I'm just Having a baby on your lap is like having a cat on your lap. I don't think you, you, [00:55:00] have you ever had a cat on your lap in your life?

Malcolm Collins: Where they, yeah, I used

Simone Collins: to have a cat. Where they fall asleep? And then you just, you can't get up. Oh, my cats

Malcolm Collins: weren't like loving cats. Oh.

Simone Collins: They

Malcolm Collins: were murdery cats.

Simone Collins: Murdery cats? You sure you didn't accidentally adopt a possum or something?

Malcolm Collins: My mom wanted to be as posh as possible. So she got something called Bengal cats.

Oh,

Simone Collins: Bengal cats are famously friendly.

Malcolm Collins: No, ours were not famously friendly. They were, they were a little, so they were like a breed where it's bred was like wild cats of some kind. I think some form of a wild cat from Africa. I don't know, not like a panther or something, but something like that.

Right. Like a bobcat? Yeah. It's something like an African variety of bobcat. Yeah. From Bengal. Yeah. It's, and so they're very hunting focused. I remember one year we got really punished because all the Christmas presents were like Torn into early and it turned out that it was our cats and our parents [00:56:00] recognized us after punishing us

Simone Collins: I mean, considering your track record, then probably every other thing was your fault.

Like I could say, I was

Malcolm Collins: like, I would have been more tactful about it. I wouldn't

Simone Collins: packaging. This is why you had so many problems as a kid. Every time someone blamed you something, you're like, well, if I really wanted to do it, I would do this. And then suddenly you get expelled.

Malcolm Collins: This genuinely got me in trouble.

So many times I'd get accused of. But like doing X and I'd be like, no, if I was going to do X, I do it this way. It was always so much more like that. This this is one of the things kicked out of the first school I got kicked out of. They were like, oh, we think that you would do like X to harm other students.

And I was like offended because the Columbine had just happened and they were like just looking for any weird kid and I was like, excuse me, excuse me, sir, here are ways I could kill everyone in this school without Anyone being able to respond. [00:57:00] Those kids were idiots, couldn't get a damn bomb to work? A pipe bomb?

That's not difficult! And I started going through, like, sketching through how that could work, how you could create gases by mixing You know various cleaning fluids that could pretty easily gas a room before people noticed. I started. Very good

Simone Collins: point though. Oh God. No. Yeah. That's how to do that. But yeah, that's very easy to do.

Don't

Malcolm Collins: insult my intelligence. Okay. You don't say that I'm some savage who's just going to go out there shooting people. This is what we have to.

Simone Collins: With our children, our children are already showing karma with being such piggy eaters, and I was a famously piggy eater. They're going to be just as anti authoritarian and difficult in larger bureaucracies as you are.

I love you. I love you too. Bye Malcolm. Karate chop.

Malcolm Collins: Oh no, are you teaching her karate moves?

Simone Collins: Teaching her how to be part of our [00:58:00] secret service. So she,

Yeah, she'll, but, but she will make sure that when someone shoots at you, they still shoot and they just tastefully Nick you right here. You know, you gotta have that,

Malcolm Collins: that perfect scar that he got nicked in the ear on the, no, but he

Simone Collins: didn't know everyone wants like that, that face scar that makes you look bad ass, but it needs to be in just the right place.

So the perfect secret service person. Yes. Let's them shoot. makes sure that they shoot in exactly the right angle that gives you the badass scar and then gives you enough time to do what they did with trump where he did his little like,

Malcolm Collins: ah,

Simone Collins: fight, fight, fight.

Malcolm Collins: Let me up for the fight, fight, fight, or while they're, they're, they're, they're holding me down.

They shoot me just in case it misses. So that, oh yeah, just

Simone Collins: didn't, yeah. Yeah. You couldn't really tell. Yeah. There's all the crossfire, you know, people shooting back at the attempting assassins. So who [00:59:00] would know who would know, you know, they could just argue and then yeah.

Malcolm Collins: They're like, oh, it's not a bullet wound.

It's shrapnel. Oh, well,

Simone Collins: yeah, because that would. It's shrapnel so much less badass, although it's way more damaging in many cases. I mean, I think most people who have shrapnel wounds wish that they were shot.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, the president didn't, he wasn't assassinated. The shrapnel killed him. Like,

Simone Collins: yeah, well, yeah.

Shrapnel never hurt anyone. I mean, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: What do they think it is? Like, like foam balls being thrown at you? Like, Oh,

Simone Collins: well, come on. Everyone even knows that shrapnel is a big deal because of Iron Man. Yeah. Makes still makes you look cool. Oh, yeah. Because it was heart, right? That was the whole point. The whole point.

The shrapnel. The

Malcolm Collins: shrapnel. I, I want like a progressive who's constantly, whenever Ironman is like, well, and I have this situation with my heart, and they're like, it's only shrapnel, . Oh

Simone Collins: boy. Don't mean Kamala Harris is so prepared as a candidate, you know, everything is [01:00:00] boxed, everything's written for her. I, I hope that her team has prepared her.

with what she would do to look badass if someone attempted to assassinate her. I mean, no doubt she has received plenty of death threats as well. So hopefully she has her rehearsed thing. I, I,

Malcolm Collins: I, I feel like I am the type of person when running for president that I'm going to get a, a, a tasteful assassination attempt for one of our supporters.

Simone Collins: There you go, sir.

Malcolm Collins: Give me a good visible Nick here or something like that. So I can you know,

Simone Collins: this is how you get your jaw shot off by mistake. Malcolm don't. Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: no, no, no, no. That's that. Whatever, whatever happens, you know, I'm going to look great coming out of this. You have no idea. No, for the record, do not,

Simone Collins: do not.

No, no, no. And Malcolm, no, no, we get enough death threats already. Yeah, but they're all going to hit you with a baseball bat. That's the, that's a go to.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, that's what [01:01:00] they say? Well, because

Simone Collins: progressives don't own guns.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, the core thing that obviously they're gonna try to do is turn our kids against us.

Like, that's what they keep saying.

That's the core fantasy.

Simone Collins: Joke's on them. They're already turned against us. They constantly rebel.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I don't think they know what they're getting their hands on. I, I know the moment one of our kids, they'll, they'll be like, okay we'll bring you in and we'll turn you against your parents.

And then the kids running the group was in like a month and doing some crazy thing with it.

Simone Collins: It would backfire. The problem is if, if they tried to get them to do anything, the kids would subvert it somehow because that's what they do with any attempt that we ever make.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so we've, we've, we've worked on the counter brainwashing already, guys.

You got, you got nothing here. Okay, so I'll get started. All right, Simone? Let's do it. I love her idly playing with your thing, looking at your face. She's figuring out stuff.

Simone Collins: She is. She's coming online.