When I learned this information, the next person I worked with who was African American, it was like right after being told about this. And I'm telling you, it was a pretty scary moment for me to go there. But he responded, well, in a not dissimilar way to the way you just did,. He's like, wow, well, that's good. Great. It must have been a great moment for both of you. For both of you, please, please feel free to go deep with this conversation.
Greg interviews Dr. Dean Helen Easterling Williams, Pepperdine University Graduate School of Education and Psychology. In an upfront and candid conversation, Greg and Dean Williams explore the difference in their experiences as academics, leaders, and human beings. Dean Williams' perspective as a black woman, academic, and leader on everything going on in America, and how to most effectively move forward and make change, is a conversation you will not want to miss.
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