Is There a Line Between Living Systems and Non-Living Systems?

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Do you think there's an actual line to eventually be drawn between life and non-life? Or is it all kind of continuum? I don't think it's a continuum but there's nothing magical that is happening. Living systems are a certain type of machine. What about non-living systems? Is it also a machine? There are non-living machines but the question is at which point is a system able to perform arbitrary state transitions to make representations. And living things can do this and of course we can also build non-living things that can do this. But physics doesn't have much room for opening up something that would not violate the conservation of information as we know it.

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(00:00) – Introduction
(07:15) – Life is hard
(09:38) – Consciousness
(16:24) – What is life?
(26:33) – Free will
(40:38) – Simulation
(42:49) – Base layer of reality
(58:24) – Boston Dynamics
(1:06:43) – Engineering consciousness
(1:17:12) – Suffering
(1:26:06) – Postmodernism
(1:30:25) – Psychedelics
(1:43:40) – GPT-3
(1:52:22) – GPT-4
(1:58:47) – OpenAI Codex
(2:01:02) – Humans vs AI: Who is more dangerous?
(2:17:47) – Hitler
(2:22:44) – Autonomous weapon systems
(2:30:11) – Mark Zuckerberg
(2:35:47) – Love
(2:50:00) – Michael Malice and anarchism
(3:06:57) – Love
(3:11:05) – Advice for young people
(3:15:42) – Meaning of life