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Bonus Episode: I Kissed Christianity Goodbye

The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill

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Is There a New Phenomenon of Fame?

i think we use celebrity in flippant ways to criticise other people as well. There's a fame and celebrity thing that is about sort of knowing the mechanics of gathering a crowd, of marketing yourself. And i would say, like, what i wonder for you in this, in this transition for me, is, like, whether it was intentional or not, you totally had those skills as the like, young, gifted communicator. I don't know if all your statements are accurate but i have to wrestle with my own giftings  in terms of how they can be used by others. You're just noughnoughtly calvinism in me," he says.

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