I think what people don't appreciate is the difference between thinking something and feeling something. It's almost like I feel like the spaces that may be able to help us are some of the games I've heard about or virtual reality where you might come closer and closer and closer to being able to understand. Yeah, that's really interesting sort of embodying. That could be very formative because when people ask me, how do I, like, what do we do? One of the things I'm very grateful for is the trusting relationships I've been able to form with people who are different from me. You know, when you don't have that trust established, then youdon't have that

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