I don't think there's any argument that saying everybody should have a right to an attorney right was intended to improve things and so prima facie the not only lack of improvement but like the clear opposite trends. The ultimate end was for them to be treated less unjustly by the system and in fact the opposite of have as happened so having a lawyer is small consolation. And let me just give an example of an example that was sort of striking from serials. They had a case of a public defender and it was a totally trumped up charge. It was somebody who had a cop by accident.
Poor and black defendants have more legal rights than ever, but that didn't stop mass incarceration. Why is that? We talk about a paper by Paul Butler called "Poor People Lose: Gideon and the Critique of Rights." Plus, we answer the question that’s on everyone’s mind: how to live as an anti-natalist. And Tamler is appalled to discover David's anti-natalist leanings.
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