Intro

Intrepid partner Ajay Agrawal and senior advisors Rich Sutton, Sendhil Mullainathan and Niamh Gavin are back to dig deep in this episode all about using artificial intelligence to increase the efficiency of mining exploration. That’s the act of using machine-learning techniques to analyze information from the earth, such as core samples, to decide multi-million-dollar questions, like where to build a mine or whether to expand an existing operation.

Our guests are CEO Grant Sanden and President of Resource Modelling Solutions Jared Deutsch from GeologicAI, a Calgary-based company that redefines geological and mining decision-making with advance core-scanning technology and AI-powered analytical and modelling solutions. From Sanden:

“You've got challenges in mining… You know, you're only touching a trillionth of the deposit… And it really is a structural problem in prediction… but then once you can deal with that well, you're now characterizing uncertainty. And with these new tools, we can plan through more robustly with uncertainty properly quantified, which is a challenging endeavour.”

And from President RMS Jared Deutsch:

“The application of AI and mining is so unique because we're so data-poor spatially, but so data rich, thanks to scanning and many other technologies, where we have millimetre-scale data. Challenge is, we're 100 meters away from our next millimetre scale data. So this makes for a very challenging problem in a very non-stationary environment, where no mineral deposit is like another one. And we can't really afford to sit around for a few 100 million years and wait to see how these things evolve. So it makes for a really fun and exciting application of AI, but a bit unique compared to other areas.”

EP 05 HOSTS

Ajay Agrawal, co-founder and partner, Intrepid Growth PartnersRichard Sutton, pioneer of reinforcement learning and professor, University of AlbertaSendhil Mullainathan, MacArthur Genius grant recipient and professor, MITNiamh Gavin, Applied AI scientist, CEO, Emergent Platforms

LINKS

GeologicAI website and a short explainer video highlighting a GeologicAI use case.GeologicAI CEO Grant Sanden LinkedInRMS President Jared Deutsch LinkedInRich Sutton’s home page. Follow Rich on XSendhil Mullainathan’s website. Follow Sendhil on XBe sure to catch every episode by subscribing on the following platforms:YouTube // Spotify // Apple Podcasts

DISCUSSION POINTS

00:00 Introduction01:23 Meet the GeologicAI team, and learn what the company does04:22 Challenges and opportunities in mining data05:41 Deutsch describes how unique mining exploration is as an AI application06:53 Mullainathan asks about human-algorithm interaction08:07 Sanden explains AI- and human-algorithm approaches10:41 Gavin compares mining and healthcare as AI applications12:23 Sutton on the way AI can create a super geologist14:33 Sanden on the scale of GeologicAI’s operations15:48 Mullainathan asks about optimizing the data collection17:41 Agrawal on the extreme length of learning loops in mining19:44 Mullainathan: Are there ways to reduce the 20-year lag?25:13 The challenge of optimizing the data-collection cycle27:24 Agrawal describes the mine of the future30:08 The optimal path from limited loops to ultimate loops31:00 Closing remarks

NUGGETS (short excerpts from the full episode)

NUGGET 01: Human-Algo Interaction

AIs learn from human feedback. Humans learn from AI predictions in edge cases. Sendhil Mullainathan and Grant Sanden discuss what this human-algorithm interaction might look like at the limit.

NUGGET 02: Super Geologists

AIs have the opportunity to learn from more core sample examples than any person. We know about the impact of adding more data to training sets to enhance performance. How accurately can we estimate the marginal benefit to adding a bit more data relative to the cost of collecting it? Rich Sutton questions whether we can imagine any geologist that will be better at mineral classification than the best AI.

NUGGET 03: Data Strategy

How does data collection via following the "natural order of things" differ from the optimal data collection strategy? A 20-year feedback loop seems crazy ("a little bit of a time lag"). Sendhil Mullainathan and Jared Deutsch discuss how to decrease the feedback loop.

NUGGET 04: A cheaper alternative to mining cores?

In the prior clip, we discussed the shifting value of core samples. In this case, Grant Sanden and Niamh Gavin consider other, much cheaper data sources (chips, dust, aerial imagery) that might also provide predictive power regarding hidden underground mineral deposits. Sendhil Mullainathan discusses how new forms of high-fidelity prediction that are orders of magnitude cheaper, although perhaps less accurate, might transform the fundamental economics of the mining industry.

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