So when you're working on such a such a fun age, did you have a kind of plan in place before you started the writing? Had you plotted out what the scenes were going to be or how do you...

A little bit of everything. I got the idea for it when I was living in New York City. And at that time it was just I knew I wanted a very delicate and awkward relationship between three people. That's all I knew. And then I ended up moving to Arkansas for the year. And the plot kind of took a little bit more shape and I liked to draw it out and what ways it could go. And I knew a little bit more. And then by the time I moved to Iowa, I had a whole entire plot list except for the ending. I did not plot out the ending. And so it was just saying, okay, what scenes am I most excited about? If you're dreading writing this scene, maybe you shouldn't be writing it, those things. And there were changes, but I do like to draw out the entire plot first.

That's really interesting what you say about it. If you're dreading writing the scene, maybe you shouldn't be writing it. What do you do about those scenes that become kind of the thing that's hanging around your neck and worrying you? And is that the point

where you think, okay, maybe this scene just isn't working? I think so. I think if you're not super excited to write it or if the plot is hinging on it, maybe it could be moved into another scene or maybe it should happen in a different place. There's a scene in such a fun age where Amira and Alex meet at Amira's apartment. And for probably two years, I had imagined that scene happening in Alex's house. But when it came time to write it, I said there's no way Amira would leave her apartment in this situation. And so that made me more excited to write it because before I was kind of dreading it a little bit. So yeah, I think there's something about scenes you're dreading writing. Maybe you shouldn't be writing them that way.