I hear from two directions that you think governance will actually become an incredibly important topic for roll ups to figure out. The biggest thing that they all need to decentralize it's kind of this stewardship of their smart contracts so who controls that who can update it what are the guardrails um how do you also mitigate? You say both these ideas meet and so governance is really under research under developed area right now in roll-up land said right yeah broadly yes. And I think that most ropes are going to be forced into this decision like Ethereum doesn't have to think about this because there's no smart contract on ETH that controls most of the money on  Ethereum roll-ups

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