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78: Cathy Heller | Being Creative in Spite of Your Day Job
The Jordan Harbinger Show
The Importance of Radical Empathy in Music
The singer-songwriter has worked on ads for Coke, McDonald's and Kellogg's. She also wrote the theme song to a Netflix show called La Malama. "I think when I'm doing my show, I think about the one person listening ... what's their pain point"
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