A lot of what you've done has been to bring people in through the visual art piece of it. One way to demystify stuff is to keep it really simple or to find the way to say it simply. But then it seems like another way is to change the form or change how people experience it. How do you use art in this? Yeah, I feel like, so one of the things that I learned quite quickly in journalism is this idea of a bounce rate.

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