Before anchor, you had to go and host your podcast on a hosting platform like anchor or one of its competitors. The thing that anchor did was first of all, we didn't even expose the concept of hosting. It took this process that was very, very disjointed and technical and made it like posting an Instagram photo,. So that was a big deal to answer your question. And then I think the other thing that was abig deal is monetization for podcasts before anchor was extremely manual because of the limited data that RSS provides back to the creator and potential advertisers.

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