"I taught the campin part first you know and then i went and did that deployment we talked about," he says. "It's how to get through roadblocks how to get out yourself out of a ticket it's how to you know um it's everyday instances uh it's a job interview It's really sitting across the table right now and thinking slowly  and treating the thing is as if it was real." He adds, "You got to know when to say hey that's not going to work in this situation and using those tools and techniques"