I like a little optimism. Sometimes there's plenty of things to be not optimistic about, he says. I think cities art defenitely the way the future in terms are also influenced rather than federal government. Mar genberg has am basically getting a resurgents of the city state which is, i think, a fantastic thing. And then we get down to conservation as well. Because, again, this is still at the heart. We have more tigers in the in texas than we do in the wild in the world. This is the exciting bit. You can now start to envisage a world where a renaissance for nature actually happens.

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