I think part of it is you knew him since 2010. He's comfortable with you. And he's clearly interested in you over the years. There's a clear interest in you in particular. I don't know how much of it is a strategy. The media had never encountered somebody who used both and negative attention to their advantage like Trump does. Mm hmm. It just fundamentally differs from positive stories about politicians that are not true or when politicians say things that are condemning of a wide group of people. So why do you think the media didn't do a better job resisting that provocation? Why was it hard to step back and explain his larger strategy to readers and viewers?

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