Laser Ledger was working on a charting of what would become known as the roll up centric roadmap. Do you feel like it wasn't influenced by your work at all? Or do you think that they kind of continued on their path and you just sort of split off to form Celestia? L1: It's hard to say if it was directly influenced, but what I do know is that Ethereum roll up centic roadmap as it is now was basically what we were building at Laser Ledger a year before Etherum became rolled up.

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