So I'm not convinced that the federal government doing sort of short term medium term research is actually going to be a super great

use of their

time. A couple of years ago, I was like 2016, DARPA sponsored a thing called the cyber grand challenge, which was basically an attempt to completely automate

red

teaming. So they said basically you have to build something that can completely hands off, attack this chain of computers and get to, you know, do a catch the flag basically. They all failed in 2016, but now they're companies that sell this as a product. And I feel like that's the kind of just crazy blue sky. Try this stuff that I'd love to see the government doing more of because the sort of day to day research, I feel like private industry's got that covered. But the crazy DARPA stuff, I'd love to see the government doing more of. Yes, indeed. That'll be fun to keep an eye on. And Aaron, we'll have to have you pop back on when we see that kind of research, percolating into to the public world here. And so Tim, speaking of pillar four, we've spoken about careers in cybersecurity. We ask our guests about their career paths and you've written a blog post about the road to info sec and how we need more good people. Pillar four is addressing this issue. What do you think about their proposed scholarships and training slash apprenticeship programs?