Are You Making That Argument to Policy Makers?

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Ahemphph: We have to move much, much, much faster. What would that mean concretely? It's a question that will be resolved at the national political level,. primarily the fossil field companies. And i think ultimately, if you pass forward to the end game, where we're adto zero carbon situation, we're not burning any fossil fuels at all. The only thing standing in the way here is a real take over of the energy system by renewables, is political interference.

David Wallace-Wells is one of the foremost journalists covering climate change. A writer at The New York Times and a columnist at The New York Times Magazine, Wallace-Wells is the author of the best-selling book The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming. His New York Magazine article of the same name was the most read in the magazine’s history.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and David Wallace-Wells discuss why the worst scenarios for the future of climate outcomes have become less likely over the course of the last years; how much damage climate change is nevertheless likely to wreak; and what political, economic, and technological solutions might help humanity deal with this urgent challenge.

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