Julian Zelizer: I'm very glad we did the podcast. We're gonna do Because it'll be way better was not my best podcast because I was so like Up tight about it And the reason I was is because when I started digging into the case I read his book that he wrote by hand in prison Which was his side of story to be clear So I'm like take it with a grain of salt then I start actually looking into the case Reading the court documents going through it and I'm like son of a bitch. This guy got fucked, right? He's an upstanding individual. The episode I had him in again episode 133 which got hurt because I was the weak

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