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Discover how non-technical founders are building valid MVPs using vibe coding and Cursor, and why you need to move beyond simple AI wrappers. We sit down with Mike Leslie, CEO of Revela, to discuss the critical strategies for de-risking your business from big AI labs like OpenAI and Anthropic. Learn when to transition to in-house open-source models, how to fine-tune small language models (SLMs) for specific use cases, and the best methods for structured data collection to build a defensible IP moat.

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00:00:00 - Intro

00:04:14 - Advice for Non-Technical Founders: The "Vibe Coding" Revolution

00:13:07 - Hiring Strategy: Agency vs. In-House Tech Team

00:15:22 - Why You Must Move AI In-House: Small Language Models (SLMs) & Control

00:21:20 - How to Build a Data Moat: Structured Collection & Fine-Tuning

00:29:28 - The Trap of Thin Wrappers: The Cursor vs. Anthropic Cautionary Tale

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