How the Global Spyware Industries Spiral Out of Control

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Mark Mazzetti: "The weapons of war must be abolished before they abolish us" He says governments have abused surveillance powers for a long time. But the new tools are so easy to deploy that there aren't real repercussions, he says. Mark's latest opus on spyware is called How the Global Spyware Industries Spiral Out of Control.

“Zero-click spyware” is making it easier for governments to get their hands on individuals’ personal data. New York Times investigative reporter Mark Mazzetti says that when it comes to spyware, the United States is both an arsonist and a firefighter.

This episode was produced by Amanda Lewellyn, edited by Matt Collette, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Efim Shapiro, and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.

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