i am deb also, super ugly web sites. A lot of these ugly websites from web one point o or into web two o, they didn't change for a reason. They were such money printing machines that the cost of changing the design radically would mean that you would lose and confuse customers who were just absolutely pouring money into the products. So i cand o feel like this fly wheel of a beautiful product raising money and some early customer love is not independent of each other. And you shouldn't think of these as a ranking as much as a circle, an the fly wheel going around....