You sat next to Vladimir Putin on a number of occasions had dinner with him if you've seen him up close what is the best way to begin some kind of negotiation. Does that mean that the western position is kind of a posture in that negotiation at the moment by not mentioning any possibilities of any territorial deals? I think we all know that he played judo and he was actually very proficient at it he was a judo champion and he's always looking to see what his opponents leverage points may be.