Here’s to 500!!
Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons Podcast
Agents Need Identities And Limits
Bruce Schneier argues that AI agents need identifiable owners, delegated credentials, audit trails, and legal rules without eliminating human anonymity.
Today marks an incredible milestone for this podcast: 500 episodes! Not only is that a crazy long run for any podcast, but I’ve also been astonishingly consistent. I’ve managed to put out an episode of this show every single week for 500 straight weeks! Okay… I did miss one week 8 years ago… I’ll give you that story in today’s podcast. But as always for my “podcentennial” episodes, my guest is the one and only global cybersecurity guru Bruce Schneier. He’s been on the show for every 100th podcast. Today I’ll ask Bruce some deep questions about artificial intelligence and how he sees it impacting our future – not just in the technical realm, but the political and social realms, as well. We also have some special surprises and bonus content for this momentous occasion!
Interview Notes
- Bruce Schneier: https://www.schneier.com/
- Bruce’s DEF CON 34 talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEBv0STiYhI
- Bruce’s books: https://www.schneier.com/books/
- Inrupt’s Solid Project: https://www.inrupt.com/solid
- Apertus AI: https://www.apertus-ai.org/
- Cap’N Crunch whistle: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6192416
- Citizenfour: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4044364/
- Techlore: https://techlore.tech/
- The New Oil: https://thenewoil.org/en/
- Privacy Guides: https://www.privacyguides.org/
- Privacy Safe: https://privacysafe.social/
- Micah’s book: https://nostarch.com/hacks-leaks-and-revelations
- UnDisruptable27: https://u27.org
- Yael’s blog: https://yaelwrites.com/
- Cult of the Dead Cow: https://cultdeadcow.com/
- Bob Lord’s Hacklore: https://www.hacklore.org/
- David Ruiz: https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/authors/davidruiz
- Melanie Ensign’s Discernible: https://www.discernibleinc.com/
Further Info
- Help me celebrate this 500th show!!! : https://fdsd500.com
- Pay it forward and help others : https://fdsd.me/phase2
- Last chance to get #FDSD500 merch!! https://fdsd.me/merch
- My book: https://fdsd.me/book
- My newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter
- Support the mission: https://fdsd.me/support
Table of Contents
- 0:00:00: Congratulations, part 1
- 0:01:47: Intro
- 0:07:12: Congratulations, part 2
- 0:10:31: Intro, continued
- 0:12:01: Stay tuned…
- 0:13:16: Interview setup
- 0:15:26: What are the key parts of a modern LLM?
- 0:23:03: How do we defend against prompt injection?
- 0:27:09: Should AI agents only act on our behalf?
- 0:32:10: Who’s responsible when AI attacks?
- 0:35:25: Will AIs end up fighting each other?
- 0:41:47: How will AI’s speed and scale change security?
- 0:46:50: Should we own our personal AI data?
- 0:55:03: Can we trust AI with all our data?
- 0:59:24: Does AI enhance mass surveillance?
- 1:03:09: How do we democratize AI?
- 1:06:24: What can we do to manifest the best AI future?
- 1:11:08: Wrap-up
- 1:11:42: Cap’n Crunch whistle
- 1:13:50: Thank you patrons!!!
- 1:16:27: FDSD by the numbers
- 1:23:25: Phase 1, 2 update
- 1:26:17: Phase 3?
- 1:26:55: Special bonus guest target
- 1:29:18: Patron podcast preview
- 1:30:40: Last call for FDSD500 merch
- 1:31:14: Looking ahead
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