Camvas was hired to be the one of the two founding members of a new branch of the graduate school in colorado springs. The councilling psychology masters programme was going to be housed down there. Camvas and his wife used to work with like six or ten couples in their living room. And then they decided, this is such interesting stuff we're doing, and these techniques are so unusual,. We got a got a go big time with our book consciouc loving. Right away, overnight, we went we got invited on opera, and we went from working with six or eight couples in our living room to working with ten million people on the stage out there in chicago

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