i can't claim credit for that framing. That was jim wolsey, who was president bill clinton's first c i a director. When he gave his confirmation testimony in 19 93, john carey, who was later the secretary of state, said to him, look, it's the end of the cold war. We're in this post coal war environment. What do you see as the threat picture that the us? Will need to deal with? And he gave this extraordinarily prescient testimony and said, we've slain a large dragon talking about theso union, but now we find ourselves in a jungle full of snakes.
This month will mark a year since the Taliban takeover of Kabul in August 2021 and the chaotic withdrawal of western forces from Afghanistan. In this archive discussion from 2020, we discuss the nature of past Western interventions and the guerrilla warfare resistance that has followed with David Kilcullen, former soldier, diplomat, and senior counterinsurgency adviser for the US during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He joined Carl Miller, Research Director at the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media at the think tank Demos, to discuss his book: The Dragons and the Snakes: How the Rest Learned to Fight the West.
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