The Challenges of Scaling Up a Small Business

You're running a family led venture fund seismic and also the executive chair of iQ group solutions which I believe is essentially a long-term hold curve for UK manufacturing businesses. So maybe can you talk a little bit about that and are the two linked in any way or did you kind of go and tap into your investor network again or the two separate ventures completely yeah no there's definitely crossover I mean at so I'm sort of you know I've come from this you mentioned earlier I've got the sort of M&A approaching business as well which is a great way of sort ofyou know finding deals, particularly because those deals tend to be in sort of manufacturing and engineering sort of industrial space