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Legendary BBC presenter and China editor Carrie Gracie, live in London

Sinica Podcast

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What I Learned From That Shoe Lever Reporting in Dalian

"i very much share your sort of theory of the way that elite politics in china operates," he says. "It is really careening from one black swan reaction to another and you would not believe how dehumanized they all are." He adds: "You start feeling really sad for them at the same time as having to remind yourself pinch yourself these are monsters'

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