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The Freemasons and the Illuminati
According to traditional mainstream history, Freemastery begins roughly in the 1700s. We've seen actual written evidence of Freemasons meeting as early as the early 1600s. So if the Illuminati thing starts in 1700, which is a short-lived kind of a meeting place for free thinkers and poets and artists and people with big ideas, where does the Freemason thing start?